The latest work by Kaiju Collective, Ichiro Nakayama, "Kaidan Hunting Black Bus" (Kadokawa Horror Bunko) was released in August and became a hot topic.This is the seventh installment of the "Kaidan Hunting" series published for the first time in two years.In addition to the "Black Bus", which is the subtitle, there are 61 ghost stories written based on true stories.
The highlight of this work is the existence of a "black bus" that appears in various short stories.If the time is different, the location is different.Is it really that a person who has no connection has been encountered on a similar eerie bus?In addition, what is the position of a ghost story that talks about the fearless fears in the Corona evil that was forced to fight invisible viruses?I asked again about the essential fun and future of ghost stories.(bird)
―― In this work, the existence of a black bus that appeared in multiple stories was impressive.Even though it is a story of a different person, the feeling of being connected as a single axis is very eerie.Is it common to hear similar experiences in various people's stories?
Nakayama: I've been collecting ghost stories for many years, but I first met a story like a black bus.It is said that the skeleton of the story has something in common, even though the situation of the experienced person is different.It's strange.Also, each story is a long -lasting length, all of which are more complicated in my hands.I was worried about how to express it as a realistic true story, but I think it was ultimately well together.
Edit: I felt a mysterious power that similar ghost stories gathered at Nakayama -san.It seems to be similar, and there are subtle differences for each episode are strangely real.I often hear stories about several people who have a similar experience in one place, but for black buses, the timing and location are different.
―― Even Nakayama, who has been collected a lot of ghost stories, has a ghost story of the first time to hear.
Nakayama: That's why it's interesting to collect ghost stories.From one to the next, "Hey, there is such a story" is steadily accumulating.It is my own pleasure to collect it and think about how to express it.
Isn't that a ridiculous story?I was listening normally because I was, but even if I was a family, even if I talked like this, I would usually get the reaction of "I can't do it" and "I'm crazy?"So there are many stories that have been broken.If you think so, I feel like there are ghost stories that have not yet touched anybody in Japan.There may be many patterns that you haven't heard yet.
――This work contains 61 ghost stories. When are these ghost stories collected?
Nakayama: Everything is different.The stories I heard are all in notebooks.From there, I choose a story that can be made as a ghost story story as a variety as much as possible.So, sometimes I record the stories I heard a long time ago, and sometimes use the stories I heard recently.
In the case of this work, when the story of the black bus gathered, I thought this would be the main (laughs).But basically, don't you think about the theme axis in a single book, and choose a new one, from typical ghost stories to youkai stories, and stories about God?After all, it's interesting to talk about God.
――After all, is there a fear of a phenomenon like “the curse of God” as a Japanese sense?
Nakayama: I am skepticism about the mystery.However, I think that there are curses and curse as words.Especially Japanese people go to shrines to visit, or write wishes in ema.Just because everyone is not aware, there is something like believing in God somewhere, or a sense of coexistence.Looking back on ancient history, the Japanese have been living with God all the time.
In that sense, what did you believe and be afraid of?So far, what kind of history have Japanese people have enjoyed and what kind of life have you been?A ghost story is very suitable for thinking about the Japanese brain mechanism and the Japanese itself.Recently, I have heard of overseas ghost stories, but Japanese ghost stories are the most interesting.
――I also bought and read a book that collected American ghost stories before.I was surprised at the bold punch, which is different from Japanese ghost stories.The difference between the sense of fear in each region and the ghost story that was handed down was very interesting.
Nakayama: According to what I heard, the story of vampires is still whispering in Eastern Europe.I don't often hear vampires in Japan.In addition, China is a communist society, so it is difficult for God's existence and ghost stories to be handed down.If the Cultural Revolution did not occur, I would think that there were many more interesting ghost stories.
――However, it would be no wonder if there was a ghost story that has been handed down in some areas.
Nakayama: Hiroshi Takahashi, a scriptwriter of the horror movie "Ring" (1998), was a communist country when Russia was a Soviet Union, majoring in Russian literature at university?However, when I went to the countryside, it seems that there were many ghosts and ghosts like the movie "Witch Legend Vie".Listening to that, humans have curiosity for unknown things.I thought that the habit of seeing what I had never seen was a universal feeling.
――It's a human reaction to be afraid of what you have never seen.
Nakayama: That's right.In the first place, humans are different from other animals where they have language and intelligence.Perhaps the old man who gained a language would have used the language to talk about invisible gods and spirits.By talking about it as a story, the people of posterity have led to various myths and epic, imagining the mysterious things.
I think rakugo is the same.There was a top rakugo called Gorobei, who was often ghost stories, but he said, "I think that rakugo originally started with a ghost story rather than a strange laughter."
―― That's interesting.
Nakayama: If you go back to the old days, there are many stories that seem to be a ghost story, such as going to the country of Yomi, Yamatano Orochi, and Yamatano Orochi, which is said to be the oldest history of Japan."The Story of the past", which was said to have been compiled at the end of the Heian period, has a demon, a fox, a dead person, and about half a mysterious story.The origin of the story, including myths and rakugo, is an interest in what invisible things, that is, a ghost story.However, even if I was just scared, I had no time, so I wondered if there was a story that could be laughed at couscous, and I guess there were various genres of genres like it is now.This is just what I think.
――This time, this time, the writing work was written in the corona, did you feel different from usual?
Nakayama: I'm alone, so it's the same.Well, it's painful that you can't easily diverge, "Hona, go drinking?"I can't believe it myself.The fact that no one has been to a izakaya for the past two years (laughs).Also, in the ghost story world, the number of people who distribute ghost stories online has increased.
――Youtube suddenly increased the number of ghosts.
Nakayama: Ghost stories are not traditional art.Unlike rakugo, there is no need to be a disciple under the teacher, and I wonder if it is a good thing that more and more people come out.However, I think the ghost story style that you are talking about recently is Makoto Kitano and me.
Certainly, when Mr. Kitano and Yoshikazu Takeuchi were personality, they were ghost stories on the Radio program called "Makoto no Psychic Youth Team".While they were talking, they were talking about ghost stories, "Speaking of which, there is a story ..."With that extension, I often did a ghost story live with Mr. Kitano.I didn't have a two or three hours of scary stories alone, so I had a ghost story on a chat -based basis like the radio, and at the end I ended up with a scary story.For example, Junji Inagawa speaks ghost stories in a unique style, but this style is easy for people today to imitate.
――While I participated in Nakayama's ghost story, I remembered that the amateur's poor narrative was more realistic than the one who was used to talking.
Nakayama: That's the difficulty of talking about ghost stories.I'm not afraid of the good story, but it's a bit clogged, my memory is ambiguous, and it's definitely true that the story is not organized will create the truth.No one is observing the mysterious phenomenon in front of you.I'm a person who gets money and talks, so I'm trying to be too bad to talk too well, but that salt plum is difficult.
――There is a situation where you can't easily talk about the ghost story or live.
Nakayama: Last year was my 30th anniversary of my ghost story (writer), so I was told to rent a hotel and do a large event, but I stopped everything.I can't help but I'm lonely.If you just talk about ghost stories, there are voices that you can do it by distribution, so I did it several times, but it was hard to respond (laughs).
――I think Nakayama's ghost story live is only possible with communication with customers at the venue, and the feeling is different if it is distribution.If it's a live, you may hear the expression of the customer and change the ghost story to talk next.
Nakayama: That's often (laughs).I will prepare some ghost stories in advance, assuming a certain flow in advance, but every time I talk different from preparing about two -thirds.The laughter doesn't leak like a comedy live, so I detect the air.When the customer thought, "What are you talking about?"That is the fun of the live.
Also, a ghost story called "Dark Night", which has been held irregularly for 11 years, is often done in a pattern that starts when the last train runs out and ends when the first train comes out.After the live was over, the customers seemed to have stopped by the izakaya, which is doing until the morning, and exchanged information on ghost stories.The ghost story live itself is fun, but there are some people who are always enjoying talking together with customers.You can't do that because the izakaya is closed now.After the ghost story live online is over, I'll do it lightly as it is, but that's a bit different (laughs).
―― That's right (laughs).It would be nice if you take this opportunity to talk about ghost stories from YouTube and be more interested in Nakayama's books and ghost stories.
Nakayama: Yeah, I'm glad that happens.